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Drat, another second attempt
Posted by Babb LW - September 01, 2004 at 6:12:49am
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Re: Communion
Posted by caf lw - August 31, 2004 at 4:54:05pm:

I tried to stick with one of your answers at once, but forgive me if I jump around some.

“As Paul would later state, "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed." 1 Cor 5:7 (NIV) There was important symbolism in Jesus' choice of timing, in order to demonstrate his fulfillment of the old covenant and establishment the new “

I have read about the Passover some and some verses in Exodus suggest that the Passover should be observed for all time, or at least until Jesus’s return. Are we observing Passover today? Jesus seems to have changed the Passover, but at the same time he has kept it. He becomes the lamb, the blood we are saved by. He talked about these changes in three of the Gospels. While He does mention the changing of an actual lamb into Himself, He never talks about changing the frequency. In that light, we do have a precedent of once a year. Do you feel this is a valid precedent? And if we are observing the Passover today, why would Jesus change the frequency?

“On the other hand, when I read of the church gathering on the first day of the week, I'm reading about the implementation of Jesus' will for his new covanant body, and when I read of Jesus telling his apostles to go and baptize "in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit" and subsequent believers being told to be baptized "in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit," I'm reading what Jesus had in mind with his examples and his teaching. “

In the example of baptism, you have Jesus stating what He wants done and how. He is obviously saying what is expected. And you also have other believers spreading that message on. Yet there is no indication of Jesus implementing or instructing when we should meet in His name. He does instruct us to meet, because that is important. But he does not suggest a time of day, nor a day of the week. I feel that God understood that Christians might not always have the luxury of choosing something so regular. It is the same with prayer, we can do it anytime, without any special place or time, because it is based on need, not a timetable.

“In Acts 20:7 the day is specifically mentioned, the first day of the week, but there is no comment about time of day -- although we do know that particular meeting lasted long into the night, with Paul's long dialogue with the brethren, there is no statement as to when it may have begun. In fact, the New Testament says nothing directly about the time of day when the churches assembled to observe the Supper and edify one another”

The verses also never suggest how often a church would meet on that day. Can we then assume that we should meet as many times that day as we wish, or can? If the importance is that we meet, and how often we take the Lord’s Supper is not specified, are we supposed to offer it each time?

“When Jesus instituted the supper, he referred to "that day when I drink it anew with you, in my Father's kingdom." (Matthew 26:29). I would suggest that he had in mind his presence with the church on "that day", the first day of each week, at whatever time of day his body assembles in his name and his power is present(1 Corinthians 5:4). He could of course have said something about morning or evening, or noon, but he didn't. Nevertheless, there is a particular day, though not a specific time of day, presented to us in consistent New Testament example and direction.”

Here is an example of a time when Jesus could have easily said the first day of the week instead of “that day.” He could have said the First day of the week anytime he wanted, yet he did not. This suggests to me that the importance is not on when we meet, but instead that we do meet. I would be curious as to why you don’t think Jesus himself never stated the we should meet on the first day of the week.

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