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Re: How much Bible?
Posted by essay lw - October 24, 2005 at 7:23:52am
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Re: How much Bible?
Posted by Kevin LW - October 22, 2005 at 10:36:46am:

You don't get it because you're a Gentile. Of course, I'm one too, but my understanding of Scripture and of Jewish belief and tradition is that the Messianic Age will be a matter of fact rather than a matter of faith. The OT, particularly Isaiah, is loaded with descriptions of the Messianic Age:

"You will see a king in his splendor; you will see a wide land. Your mind will recall the terror you experienced,and you will ask yourselves, “Where is the scribe? Where is the one who weighs the money? Where is the one who counts the towers?” You will no longer see a defiant people whose language you do not comprehend, whose derisive speech you do not understand.

Look at Zion, the city where we hold religious festivals! You will see Jerusalem, a peaceful settlement, a tent that stays put; its stakes will never be pulled up; none of its ropes will snap in two. Instead the Lord will rule there as our mighty king. Rivers and wide streams will flow through it; no war galley will enter; no large ships will sail through. For the Lord, our ruler, the Lord, our commander, the Lord, our king— he will deliver us.

Though at this time your ropes are slack, the mast is not secured, and the sail is unfurled, at that time you will divide up a great quantity of loot; even the lame will drag off plunder. No resisident of Zion will say, “I am ill”; the people who live there will have their sin forgiven." (Is 33:17-24)

Clearly, especially considering the current situation in the middle East, we have not arrived.

The Jewish proto-Christians accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah on the basis of His promise to return QUICKLY - within 3 or 4 generations at the latest:

“But in those days, after the suffering, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arriving in the clouds with great power and glory. Then he will send angels and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven....when you see these things happening, know that he is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.... I tell you the truth, there are some standing here who will not experience death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” (Mark 13:24-30 & Mt 16:28)

When this did not occur, Christianity became less and less Jewish and more and more Gentile, since the Gentiles' religious tradition had no such tradition of imminent return.




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