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Re: The deep things of God Posted by caf (lw) - February 16, 2005 at 0:41:51pm 1280x1024x32 - Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 In Reply to: The deep things of God Posted by Kevin LW - February 16, 2005 at 9:21:05am:
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Kevin wrote: I had a great breakfast this morning with several of the guys at Anaheim, and the topic of the "deep things of God" came up. The question I'd like to pose is if the deep things of God are deeply reasoned and intellectually formed doctrines and truths (let's say, types and shadows of Christ) or are they things like the fruits of the spirit and "bringing every thought into captivity" to Him? What role do deeply thought-out, esoteric doctrines play in our faith? A central role? A supporting role? A cameo role? Do I perceive a pejorative description of "deeply thought-out, esoteric doctrines"? Can it be that there might be "deeply thought-out" or carefully reasoned doctrines that are not "esoteric" or even "intellectually formed" but only understood from the consistent testimony of scripture? I would proffer first that the "deep things of God" which Paul refers to in 1 Cor 2:10 Now God has revealed them to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God. (HCSB) are basically those things known to God and knowable to us (if at all) only by revelation (scripture), not by reason or investigation on the part of the natural man in the natural world. God's overall plans and actions are described with these terms (not our plans, beliefs, purposes or actions), particularly his work among the nations and his administration of justice. In the verses below, Daniel referred to "deep and hidden things" that God reveals, referring to the meaning of the dream of the rise and fall of kingdoms, including the kingdom of God. Job referred to "the deep things of darkness" (not evil, but unseen) that God reveals, and was talking about the plans and power of men versus the plans and acts of God who has everything in hand. The Psalmist refers to the greatness of God's works and profundity of his thoughts, unknowable by the natural man (as Paul also said in the 1 Cor 2 passage). Note that after referring to the "deep things of God" searched by the Spirit in 1 Cor 2:10, Paul quoted Isa 40:13 in 2:16 (again, scripture below). The deep things of God there are the things God alone knew how to do, and that we know of only by revelation. Paul also quoted Isa 40:13 in Rom 11:34 (below) where he concludes his discussion of God's purposes in mercy to the gentiles and his love for the Jews. In that section of Romans Paul has discussed the idea of "the potter and the clay" in which he assures us that there are things (perhaps many things) that we have to accept from God without necessarily being able to reason why or how, because indeed his "judgments" are "unsearchable." Dan 2:21-23 Job 12:22-23 Ps 92:4-7 Isa 40:12-14 Rom 11:33-36 The deep things of God are not things reasoned out by men. The other question asked is compound -- because "deeply thought-out" doctrines are not necessarily "esoteric" doctrines. In the language used, deeply thought out doctrines should play a central role in our faith. Recall the effective strength of the gospel message in Berea (see below), which is attributed to the eager reception and scrutiny of scripture by the Berean Jews. The doctrines they accepted were deeply thought out. Christians too are reminded to search the scriptures and consider their doctrines and examples. We are enjoined to test and examine (in terms of God's will) what we approve and practice (Romans 12:1-2, Ephesians 5:10, 17, 1 Peter 2:3). So, deeply thought out doctrines should be at the core of Christian faith and behavior. What is consistently taught, exemplified and affirmed in scripture can be confidently affirmed and followed by Christians, and should certainly be deeply thought out. On the other hand, in a Biblical frame of reference, while gnostic doctrines were esoteric (ie Col 2:18 or Rev 2:24), those things openly taught by word or letter by the apostles and prophets cannot be described as esoteric (2 Thess 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. NIV) Acts 17:11-12a |
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