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Posted by caf - July 30, 2002 at 11:49:31pm
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Posted by Mike Babb - July 29, 2002 at 7:38:53pm:

Mike, forgive me if I'm misreading you here, but in message #502 you said:

... we are also told not to sin. We all do it, on a daily recurring basis. But that is not held against us, because we are not perfect. We are forgiven...
...Because of the idea of forgiveness, I always thought being a Christian was about trying to be a good person. No by always being perfect, but by TRYING...

And then in 508 you had said:
Your exact statement was that Heavan is not for the good. Then who is it for? those who broke the rules but tried really hard? Something seems very faulty with that.

And now in 512 you say:

...if the only way to heaven is through forgiveness, not deeds, then heaven is not filled with good people, just ones who asked forgiveness. This sours some of my concepts a bit. I am zstill not sure why God even set the system up in such a way...

I thought we started with a common understanding that forgiveness was an essential part of the picture. That becoming a Christian means, among other things, being forgiven and having access to forgiveness. Now it's an offensive concept? And you seem to have said it's not fair if heaven isn't for people who try hard, but it's a bad system if heaven is for people who try hard. So no matter how it works, you don't approve?

Again, let me say, forgive me if I am misreading you, because I wish you well in every way, but my impression is that right now you're not looking for reasons (your first question in this thread asked why) or answers, you're looking for issues. I have the impression that the answers and reasons don't actually matter, and the target keeps moving.

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